and their loss of education, the total control environment that many scientologists live in. this is something that i think really need to be examined. >> as you know, the church has said and said to us at nbc news, "there is no hard evidence," in their words," that show such conduct ever occurred when abuse is brought up up. people making the accusations are not credible. those people have no corroborating evidence other than their agreement to lie. but the truth cannot be found and the okoh of that same lie repeated multiple times." we reached toout to tom cruise,e didn't get a direct response. you talk about hollywood and celebrity. l. ron hubbard, as was pointed out in the piece, courted stars. why are celebrities so important, do you think, to the church of scientology? >> it's product endorsement. from the very beginning of scientology where they set up the church in los angeles, that's where it was originally begun, l. ron hubbard had an idea that celebrities would be the way to success for the church. and there was a list of celebrities they had on their desired celeb